As an owner I would think twice about renewing my contract and go with a company who cares about its customers safety, including employees. If not pilots for a direct competitor that would benefit from a VNR no longer there, I would guess that they might be disgruntled former employees filtered out by VNR's well-known tough training program. To demonstrate the first stall, Villi leveled at 15,000 feet, and with the power levers remaining closed, we decelerated at 1.5 knots per second as shown by the purple trend vector on the PFD airspeed strip. Willing to purchase them from you. The external baggage area is not pressurized. The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. With a top speed of 400 knots (Avanti II/Evo), these airplanes cruise as much as 100 knots faster than traditional turboprops. Avantair has retained safety expert Nick Sabatini to oversee the project. Unlike what I think of as a canard, in the Avanti the elevator is back on the tail and the ailerons are on the trailing edge of the wing, along with some very serious flaps, which are designed to deploy slowly so as not to cause a dramatic pitch change they succeed at that, by the way. Well, pretty much all sold out. I am a fractional owner and the first I heard about this grounding was at 11pm last night when they sent me an email saying my flight for this morning was cancelled. Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. Yes, it does have three lifting surfaces, a T-tail and two pusher propellers but its how they are put together that is the important thing. You fly final at around 120 knots; when you pull back on the power as you land, the nose rises slightly, the mains touch, and you relax back pressure and prepare to get stopped, a job that is greatly aided by big carbon brakes and extremely effective prop braking. Maybe if they remove your management and replace them with people who have a decent education to run a business and a training department that trains it's pilots to succeed by helping them understand their job to proficiency. A fully independent backup navigator can be installed as an option. I managed the deceleration to approach speed with very small movements of the power levers and maintained final approach speed quite easily. To demonstrate the low-speed aileron control, Lorenzo then pulled back to the buffet and effortlessly rolled on 80 degrees of bank and then recovered to level flight. I picked up the Avantair share as a resale through a vendor and paid a lot less then what it would have cost to buy it directly from the company, so at least I'm invested at a much lower number. CLEARWATER, Fla. October 25, 2012 Avantair, Inc. (OTCBB: AAIR), today announced the company is continuing to stand down operations and engaging top aviation experts to help complete a thorough examination of its fleet of nearly 60 Piaggio Avanti aircraft, and a comprehensive review of records and supporting maintenance documentation. My last four years have been spent flying equipment with fly-by-wire controls and the Avantis flying controls are conventionally connected via cables, pulleys, push pull rods, and bell cranks. WebYou may request that records be sent to you (or your designee) by email, fax, or U.S. mail. As of today, about 40 of Avantairs airplanes were back in service after the inspections, and the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based company expects to have its entire fleet flying again by Thursday. WebFlightSafety offers the only formal pilot and maintenance training programs available for the Piaggio P.180 Avanti, the Avanti II and the Avanti EVO. He's been flying for 10 years and is available for piaggio owners If range is the mission, getting the Avanti up to FL410 and cruising about 300 KTAS will yield a near-1,500 nautical mile range while still cruising as fast as the competition. Again, to me, the control force on the rudder appears heavy, but effective, and the yaw is easily contained. While I flew, Villi checked the Airplane Flight Manual and the performance graphs corroborated these figures to within a couple of knots at ISA +5. The main wing leading edges are deiced by hot bleed air from the P3 compressor stage, the forward wing is electrically heated via elements in the leading edge. Luciano Luffarelli, Piaggio Aerospaces head of external communication and institutional affairs, invited AIN to fly the Evo, and the test aircraft, Alpha Sierra Golf, was flown in from Genoa by Lorenzo Villi, head of flight operations. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I have real concerns about their future. General Data Sheet No. The windshield is deep and sharply raked back, which along with the ventral delta fins, perhaps alludes to the shared Learjet origin from the 1980s. The P180s have a lot of maintenance issues because they are flown to airliner annual times when the planes were only made for a few hundred hours a year with private owners. That is a sign of a company that cares about its pilots. The twin turboprop Avanti EVO is the third-generation version of the Piaggios Avanti P.180, a model introduced in the 1990s that led to the creation of Piaggio Aero Industries. After two major incidents/accidents in eight months are not all fractional owners, their employees and their families scared to hell for their own safety??? Slightly heavy control forces in roll assisted me in flying this accurately. The release I posted above came directly from Avantair media relations. They "couldnt" find a charter in time (by 2pm as I had to be back), so they put me on American Airlines. They are a public company and having your fleet grounded is a material issue yet they are not disclosing this issue as far as I can tell. I know if they fold up its going to be a fiasco as technically we each own a piece of these airplanes so we have a bunch of partners that we don't even know. Along with the wings, the engine inlets and wing leading edge are deiced by bleed air; the tail does without, as do the props, which are heated directly by the engine exhaust blowing over them. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. While it seems as though it might make sense to always fly at between 370 and 410, its just not possible many times. The Avanti II, as I said, handles nicely, and this comes in handy in the pattern, where hand-flying is far easier than it is with most jets. I am under a recent lease agreement. I started looking at commercial flights, figuring SWA flies there and it would be inexpensive anyway. Please contact me at the e-mail address below if you are interested. The fuselage, wings, tail and forward wing of the airplane are metal, though admittedly metal that has been shaped and smoothed in a way that makes a compound curve look like childs play. Vref lists the value of a 1990 P180 at $846,600 ranging up to $6.1 million for a 2019 Avanti Evo. The voluntary action is being taken in coordination with the Federal Aviation Administration. But it was not his fault that it. Could it happen to anyone else? Unfortunately, ill-fated business and maintenance practices eventually led to its bankruptcy in 2013. With all of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary. But, I'm sure that you could have done much better. Management is out for their gain and don't care for the customers, after all it is the customers who legally own the airplanes, not the company. Then, Cessna built a tougher Citation which you see today - more ready for fractional use. This airframe, T7-ASG, SN3007 was the first Avanti to be produced at the new manufacturing facility in Villanova DAlbenga, one year after production was moved from Genoa. I turned due south and climbed toward the military training area. The Avanti EVO is the fastest turboprop available currently. Now, on to the rumors about the FAA pulling Avantairs certificate. One smart thing I did do was I bought my share as a resale thru a vendor and paid a whole lot less then I would have if I bought straight from Avantair. Avanti II appeared for the 2006 model year with higher thermodynamically rated engines. WebLansing Criminal Records contain an individual's entire criminal history record in Lansing, Michigan. Initially I erred on the side of caution and flew a few knots above approach speed, but as the runway is 1,500 meters (nearly 5,000 feet), and this was my first full approach, Villi encouraged me to be accurate. Villi started the starboard Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-66B as I settled in and set up my voice recording device and GoPro camera connected via a splitter cable to my headset. source: I flew a new Avanti II out of Denton, Texas, home of Avanti completions in North America, with Piaggio Americas Grant Spigener. While the rate of climb is great, one thing the Avanti II doesnt do is climb or descend at very high indicated airspeeds, the former a condition of available thrust. Once there, I found the cockpit comfortable. He said the airplane was slightly right of the runway centerline and that there was a right crosswind. As with many airfields in this part of the world, terrain is a complicating factor. In any event, they are going to be fighting an uphill battle, as each day that passes is going to cause people to want to cancel there "membership.". No sooner had we done this, when Villi took control, performed an airshow-style liftoff, and turned to clear the runway for the next aircraft. Anyone have any or both of these checkists? Try using low-flow fixtures. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. Now it will be impossible, since I cant even book my last few trips of the year, because I have no idea if we will be flying. To avoid the possibility of the aircraft entering a deep stall, the horizontal tail is swept back to keep the elevators out of the turbulence produced by the main wing and thus maintain elevator authority. Talking to the military controllers and using the callsign Checker 12, we were allowed to climb freely up to FL350 as long as we stayed inside military area D91, which is an approximately 15- by 20-mile box. Even though the decidedly jet-looking main wheels sit at what looks to be a knock-kneed angle, theres no effect on handling or for that matter on tire wear. Shortly before departure, Villi advised me that the autopilot function of the APS-300 flight guidance system was not available. To begin, VNR has been a great place to work for many furloughed and retired former airline pilots. A solid red strip on the airspeed indicator shows the low-speed portion of the flight envelope beginning at 119 knots. Passenger oxygen deploys at 13,000 feet. I still can't believe they are not making this issue public. Safety is Avantairs top priority. Please specify the source for your statement. Cabin dimensions are spacious compared to a Beechcraft King Air and more in line with a midsize jet. On the Avanti, each unique characteristic of the aircraft is firmly rooted in function. So happy I left this rag tag joint when I did! I have only been an owner for a short time but the flights I have taken have been flawless;The pilots seemed happy and very professional. WebThats why the Piaggio Aero P180 Avanti II is a green aircraft. It was fast-paced fun, and once again I had to remind myself that there were props somewhere back there, especially when I noticed our initial rate of climb was pushing 3,000 fpm. What we didnt fully realize is that over the next 20 years no light jet would emerge that could challenge the P.180s remarkable combination of speed, fuel efficiency and cabin size, a trifecta of strengths that has made it a popular transportation airplane with operators for whom efficiency, comfort and high style are the hallmarks of having arrived. The engines have pneumatic boots on the intake combining with an engine particle deviator door to avoid ice entering the engine core and a warm bleed air supply to the engine oil cooler intake. No furloughs or termination?? Thanks guys, Piaggio will also increase the Evo's maximum zero fuel weight (MZFW) to 10,200 pounds, up from 9,800 pounds. Above FL200, the torque is allowed to reduce as ITT becomes the governing factor and we targeted approximately 800 deg C. The maximum continuous ITT is 820 degrees, but 785 degrees is recommended to produce rated horsepower in ISA conditions and improve engine life. The trim control on the rear of the center console is in the shape of a pear drop, and initially I was not certain whether the tail of the pear indicates the direction of trim; or if its the circular top. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. I suspect, that they may be going over all documents now for a variety of reasons. They are completely disconnected from operations and maintenance and some in the operation would argue 'reality' should be added to that list. That said, they never even sent me a quote, which I got elsewhere for a king air (and a Lear 55, I am taking the King Air). His record is pristine and out of Vegas, PS Albany has treated him so bad. Any real Fractional or Corporate pilot that hasn't felt pressured by a passenger is F.O.S. We leveled off at FL350 19 minutes after takeoff, I left the torque at 75 percent, and allowed the Avanti to accelerate to Mach 0.64 with an indicated airspeed of 216 knots and a TAS of 373 knots. Avantair and the Avanti have tremendous potential, if we make it. The effect is a view that changes substantially as you point the nose up or down in various phases of flight. There is no elevator in it; hence, its not a canard. I'm a fractional owner and the first I heard about this fleet grounding was 11pm last night when I got an email from owner services saying my flights for this morning at 9am and return tomorrow were cancelled. Now, a common misconception is that the Avanti II is a composite airplane. #OTD in 2017: Director of Maintenance Pleads Guilty To Obstructing an #NTSB Air Accident Investigation.https://t.co/P84ir4v0L5 #flightsafety #aviationsafety #aviationmaintenance pic.twitter.com/fA2oHltndZ, This information is added by users of ASN. In attempting to understand the Piaggio P.180 Avanti II, you need to begin by forgetting everything you thought you knew about turboprop-powered airplanes. The Nov. 16, 2011 engine failure and emergency landing at Flint, MI and veering off the runway and flipping on its back (all 4 occupants suffered minor injuries) shows pilot poor skills for sure and serious concern about engine maintenance. The P.180 Avanti Evo has a wow factor that is not present with many other twin turboprops of a similar size. As we climbed, the Vmo of 260 knots was displayed at the top of the speed tape on the PFD and the climb speed was maintained at 160 knots, reducing by one knot for every 1,000 feet above FL300. Piaggio received the first major order for the Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO from a Hong Kong-based investment company and Bravia Capital advisor in July 2014, for up to 50 Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO aircraft. So we planned to visually line up with the runway on short final. They offered to find me a charter at MY EXPENSE, which just isn't right. P180 Avanti Special Cabin Configurations. As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. Max cruise speed / 400 KTAS The Piaggio Avanti EVO is the third generation model of Piaggios flagship model. They have made a challenging job fun and did their best to service our Owners and fellow employees. 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Piaggio P.180 Avanti: Owner/operator: Avantair Inc: Registration: N146SL: MSN: Chad, We owned a King Air 200 several years ago in partnership with another company which was great except the other company ran into trouble and couldn't pay their half. Luckily it was 2007 and we sold it just before the crash. http://www.avantair.com/filings.html. RMR, if you are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative? The professional pilots at Avantair greatly appreciate our owners support and contribution to our careers and livelihoods. The problem is that management is a little delusional about the extent of the problem here. 79 dated 17 All this is combined with remarkable versatility, which makes the P180 Avanti II one of the most widely used aircraft in public services such as air ambulance and air rescue missions, law enforce-ment, and flight inspections that ensure the safety of people and property. Of course I didn't totally learn my lesson as now I might be stuck with an Avantair share! I for one an very hopeful this whole episode will be behind us soon and that the company becomes gets stronger. At 400 feet, Lorenzo handed me control for my first landing. Your management sucks! Don, sorry about your situation and lack of communication. I got an email at about 10:30 last night saying cancelled for the reasons stated in this email, with the same offer to find me a charter ay my expense. Where did you get this press release? The anhedral of the forward wing ensures there is no aerodynamic interference with the engine intakes and assists in stall handling. Piaggios home airfield is surrounded by terrain, and the approach is offset from the inbound course. We called for taxi instructions from Villanovas flight information service, At 73 inches across, the width allows for great shoulder room, easy entry though the airstair door and a very comfy hard-door lavatory. First, the gear came down below 180 knots, then mid- and finally full-stage flaps and we were nicely stabilized at 500 feet. But as soon as Lorenzo released the back pressure and added power, the aircraft recovered and we were flying at 140 knots. I know both crews involved in the Flint, MI and the elevator incident. Discretion being the better part of valor, I extended the gear early and reduced speed to deploy the flaps, intending to stabilize nice and early so I could concentrate on flying as accurately as possible. It pulled the concept off. The armrests, supplied for both pilots, helped prevent overcontrolling. The cabin, interestingly, isnt symmetrical; its a little cozier up front than in back. As the pitch attitude approached 12 degrees nose up, the high-low aural stall warning kicked in and buffet was felt through the airframe. We were light and it was slightly colder than standard, both of which help boost true airspeed numbers by at least a few knots. Findings as to risk: The one posted under SEC filings on www.avantair.com shows a sentence between the last and next to last sentences that is missing from your release. In other words two failures and occured. WebPostaccident examination revealed both nose gear tires were deflated, and the right main tire had low air pressure. Deviating from ICAO-compliant English, the controller told us, Piste libre before we lined up and discussed the departure. Occupants can converse easily, as can the pilots. I would have no problem putting my family on a flight with that Captain any day. In fact, Avantair hired and added airplanes during the Great Recession. Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. WebSECTION A: GENERAL, P.180 Avanti Type Design A.I. If materials were a conservative approach, configuration was not. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. Again, the landing flare was very slight, and on touchdown, Lorenzo took control, selected beta on the props and we smoothly decelerated with plenty of runway remaining. Whatever the outcome, it was and is an honor and a blast to serve our Owners and work with my fellow VNR employees. Max takeoff weight / 12,100 lbs We were visual and over the sea, so Villi canceled IFR and we headed toward a VFR holding point called Cogleto on the coast to the north of us. During the descent, we briefed for some stalls, the handling qualities of which Villi was obviously keen to show me. Copyright 2023 Flying Media. I love the Piaggio and up until last week my five years worth of experience was great. Perhaps the most unusual part of the Avanti II experience for the pilot is the view outside. From the beginning, Piaggio Aero intended the Avanti to be a turboprop that played in the same niche as light jets but with better economy and a larger cabin. Of course, with higher operating weights you wont be able to carry as much fuel or, hence, get as much range, though the truth is that most flights in a 400-knot airplane are less than 1,000 nm anyway, and with a thousand-mile range as the target, you can liberally load the P.180. These inspections and other actions are still underway. I followed the start procedure with one eye as I did this and observed Villi checking the power lever at idle, switching on the fuel pump, and setting the start switch to start. At 13 percent Ng, he moved the condition lever to ground idle with the starter switch shut off at 40 percent Ng and the power lever to flight idle. departed the aircraft. FlightAware General. Both flights continued to their destinations without further incident. But this time no airplanes will return to service until next week, if ever. I had a few seconds to get the feel of the Evo in the landing configuration before I was flaring for touchdown and gradually closing the power levers. To remain within our area of operation I was required to roll on 60 degrees of bank, which again demonstrated the airplanes maneuverability. In fact, Avantair late last year took possession of the 100th Avanti delivered in the United States, which has been far and away the models best market. The instrument is a dual-purpose gauge showing both torque and interstage turbine temperature (ITT), Tq shown by a green arrow and ITT by a line. One thats lacking is the single FMS. The seats are finished in black leather with the owners initials embossed into the headrest and with a cabin height of 5.74 ft, it is comfortable to move around the full length. Mandarin.. Advertising of any kind is not allowed in our comments section. Be sure to repair any leaky faucets or toilets. In reality, the P.180 is a fast, sophisticated, high-flying airplane that requires the same kinds of skills and training as any single-pilot business jet. Thank you! Like the Starship, the Piaggio Avanti features a canard and rear-mounted engines. But the Avanti is made mostly of aluminum, not composites. It weighs thousands of pounds less than the Starship and is about 60 m.p.h. faster. ^ Martin, Ed (29 October 1989). At one point, Avantair had 57 P180s in its fleet. Viva VNR! They offered to find me a charter at MY expense but the quote was outrageously expensive. Why wouldn't they do it maybe 5 aircraft at a time? Considering the shape of the nose in front of you, this is handy, because the runway stays in easy view the entire time. I know from my perspective, it was going to be close as to whether I was going to use my minimum hours this year (even after being able to roll some to next year). Technology and Comfort The original $5.00 stock traded at .11 cents today, a loss of 98% of its value. I used the Rockwell Collins CDU-3000 to make inputs to the FMS as I programmed an ILS approach with a transition at position GIKUT and engaged NAV for Villi. So I took them up on their offer to find me a charter flight. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I am concerned about my share and their financial situation. Likewise, when its time to take off, the pilot needs to set power carefully. I didnt alter it in any way I just cut and pasted what they sent me. During the takeoff roll, the left elevator departed the airplane and was found off the side of the runway 3 days later. He placed his left foot at the base of the carpet behind the central instrument panel and stepped forward with his right, placing his foot inboard of the control column and gracefully followed with his left. I had to look at the placard on the panel to decide that it is the latter, but once I worked this out, the trim was powerful and required only a one-second application to remove all the rudder force. The Avanti feels very stable and is easy to maintain altitude in while hand-flying compared with other airplanes in and around its class. These were retracted as we accelerated toward 160 knots. The start-up sequence is pure PT6; its a completely pilot-controlled process. Today's grounding is the 4th time in 2 weeks they have grounded the fleet, but the previous times they had slowly returned airplanes to service. Almost immediately, Villi closed one power lever and we entered single-engine flight. To date, of the aircraft in the fleet that have been inspected, there have been no compliance or airworthiness issues. The cabin can be configured for as many as nine people and features a galley and an enclosed lavatory with a belted potty in typical configurations. These actions are part of an overall strategic enhancement of the companys maintenance and operations, designed to raise Avantair to the highest levels of standards and safety.. This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. First, with a far aft wing the engines two Pratt & Whitney PT6s in a pusher configuration can be mounted very far aft as well, which helps keep the interior noise low. WebP180 Avanti General Description. However, lately the service sucks and now this. This action is voluntary and involves the temporary stand-down of [our] aircraft, Avantair said in a statement. Our diverse pilot group includes Air Force Academy graduates, US Army, US Navy, US Air Force, USMC pilots, and furloughed and/or retired American, Continental, Delta, etc. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. While it may be certified to fly with one pilot most P180s are crewed by two. The other huge advantage of the configuration is that it opens up the fuselage, allowing a cabin that is closer to that of midsize jets than light jets. But that there are some management issues. The Starships forward canard controls pitch whereas the Avanti has a conventional stabilizer/elevator surface. Piaggio Aero, on the other hand, is still steadily producing its model. We are not infallible, and mistakes have definitely been made, but we do not deserve the acrid bile from those on this board who have obvious agendas and would celebrate our downfall. 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